I am fascinated by the latest issue of Poetry Magazine, which I picked up because I knew it included some Flarf poems, Conceptual Writing, and related materials. I was excited to get it, among other reasons, because it could be bought at Barnes & Nobles in Tampa FL, for cash. Imagine, buying poetry with an internet connection and a credit card! Outrageously old-fashioned and strange, and the ability of Poetry Magazine to put its issues in all sorts of places where no one wants them (such as the Barnes & Nobles in Tampa FL) is a charming expression of near-hegemonic power.
Anyway, it was novel to buy something with Flarf in it without having to contact Small Press Distribution. It may never happen again!
The excitement begins with the magazine's table of contents, which is carefully sub-divided into these sections:
Poems
Flarf and Conceptual Writing
Comment
Poets We've Known
I Belonged to Yvor Winters
Notice that only the first section is labeled as "Poems" which are then followed by experimental stuff classified not as poems but rather as "Writing." After Poems and Writing come Comment, followed by Poets and by the mainstream poet's special friend "I" (which did indeed belong to Yvor Winters, as much as any other man and moreso than Bruce Andrews). The sectioned structure of the magazine seems defensive, as if the section labeled as "Writing" has been quarantined off from the rest. This "Writing" is neither Poems not Poets, nor is it Comment or I. (Am I reading too much into this?)
So the idea naturally is that there should be classy elegant "Poems" in the first section, followed by deliberately awful or bland "Writing" in the second section. But it doesn't quite happen like that. I went into the "Poems" expecting class and elegance, expecting to find it a bit snooty and pretentious, but nonetheless syntactically sinuous and imagistically floral. However, oddly, most of the poems in the "Poems" section were more awful and/or more bland than the things in the second section. Flarf clearly has no monopoly on awfulness! Conceptual Writing has no monopoly on boring!
So the shocking experience of reading the issue is:
Unintentionally awful poems that are more awful than the deliberately awful ones that follow, and unintentionally boring poems that are more boring than the deliberately boring poems that follow. In a sense, the experimental writers are upstaged by the fact that the "Poems" chosen by the editors of Poetry offend good taste more egregiously than the deliberate tactics of the avant-garde.
I can prove this. Here are quotes:
Tony Hoagland:
"I was the dog, chained in some fool's backyard;
barking and barking:
trying to convince everything else
to take it personal too."
Absolutely dreadful. "I was the dog." No you weren't, Tony Hoagland; you are a biped.
For comparison, here is Nada Gordon trying to provoke us with deliberate inanity and in-your-face tasteless (in the "Writing" section):
I was sort of doodling Hitler at my friend's
house and we couldn't stop watching
unicorn hardcore soft porn abortion e-cards
containing scenes in which the baby angora unicorn
and Hitler stay warm on a cold night.
"unicorn hardcore soft porn abortion e-cards" is a rather succinct and accurate description of contemporary consciousness in the developed world in the early 21st century, an immersive media environment in which we can "stay warm on a cold night" of the soul. . . Nada's silliness turns out to be profound after we blink at it three or four times, and the thrill of its awfulness. . . fades in the face of that dog, Tony Hoagland, chained in some fool's backyard, barking and barking. Nada's awfulness is so much more inventive than Tony's that in comparison hers ceases to be awful.
It's weird how this issue of Poetry Magazine reminds me so aggressively that awfulness is relative. Consider this description of the road in Scott Cairns' "Another Road Home":
Meandering, manifestly
inconclusive, and for that reason not
so likely to ferment blithe disregard.
"blithe disregard" as in, I guess, smiling at someone you're ignoring? Well, that's okay, but fermenting it, give me a break. Now if the dude were making home brew and bottling it and labeling some of the bottles "Blithe Disregard," then okay that could be a nice name for an IPA. . . since that doesn't seem to be the context, I have to say this entire sentence is quite unfortunate.
Scott Cairns was in "Poems." Compare his bad writing with some lines from K. Silem Mohammad's "Poems about Trees" in the "Writing" section:
brainwashed creationists go ever yodeling to attract
the jolly echo of a forest of orange sauce
"you anus look like a chicken pie"
Mohammad provides jolly nonsense, the vivid cartoonish image of "a forest of orange sauce" and an unsettling reminder that, in fact, some people's anuses do, in certain situations, look like chicken pies. Mohammad's trashy throwaway lines are more fun and more true than Cairns' "Meandering, manifestly / inconclusive" epiphany, and therefore, despite the de facto awfulness of Mohammad's lines, they are relatively less awful than Cairns'.
And so it goes. There are a handful of really good, elegant "Poems" too, the sort I predicted would be there, such as Ange Mlinko's "This is the Latest" which is luscious, Merrillesque, subtly funny and formally impecable (and not very interesting to me), but they are outnumbered by bland and maladroit poems that make the "Writing" section seem much more competent than it really should, considering that both Flarf and Conceptual Writing eschew displays of competence in favor of, for Flarf, anarchic vigor, and for Conceptual Writing, icy acts of framing and reframing.
Jessica Greenbaum: "cool enough to slake one of all our many raging, hissing thirsts." The awfulness lies in the fact that the line is more than two words long.
And then Hailey Leithhauser was bit "By its posthumous chomp, / by its bad dab of venom, its joy-buzzer buzz." Flarf seems so refined and professional, so well-done, compared to this. . .
I'll have more to say about the later sections of this fascinating magazine in a day or two.
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16 comments:
Hahaha! Your comment about "ferment" is very Edgar Allan Poe-like: he tended to begin his reviews by pointing out grammar errors, poor word choices, illogical metaphors, and failures of versification. Then he would get down to business and really let 'em have it...
The issue had a similar effect on me - I started to read everything as Flarf.
Johannes
everything IS flarf if you stay out of the country long enough.
yikes...seems like it would be bad luck to be in a flarf issue if your serious poem just sucks...
i was a dog too--- btw
Hey Stan, we don't know each other, and in some corners I guess I could be seen as "anti-Flarf," but this . . .
Mohammad provides jolly nonsense, the vivid cartoonish image of "a forest of orange sauce" and an unsettling reminder that, in fact, some people's anuses do, in certain situations, look like chicken pies.
. . . was a very winning construction. As was your entire post -- thanks for it.
That's a much more succinct way of putting it Johannes. Yes.
Are you just back from Costa Rica Ryan? And when you got off the plane our country looked like one vast Sea of Flarf? How are things different there?
Hi Ben, I think that I will never be as mean a reviewer as EAP. He had much higher and less relative standards than I do.
Hi Sandra, I'm in Tampa. Should we hang out sometime? Do interesting things happen in Gainsville, readings and things?
You were a dog, sure, but not that dog.
stan, you need to do this every month. pretty, please. :)
great post. POETRY has been publishing some brooding garbage by the same names over and over and that is why I quit my subscription. I know that they are trying to reach out and not offend casual readers and at the same time expose them to the more "obscure," but honestly I think the public wants the more obscure. I think they're tired of the brooding, sentimental tripe that POETRY seems so attached to.
Yet I actually agree with the designation of "writing" and not "poetry." My reason goes back to the originally etymology of the word "poetry" (poein- "to create"). Even Kenny Goldsmith talks of "uncreative writing" as being somewhat aligned with his own conceptual works (correct me if I am wrong). My own works are largely conceptual and I don't consider them to be Poetry (though I do still write "creatively" and I consider that to be Poetry- as bad as it is); nor do I care to use "poetry" as an all-inclusive term for any writing that defies category.
I don't think cut-ups and text-engines/generators are true to the roots of what "poetry" has meant and still means. So, although I am nauseated by most of the poetry you find in these OVC types of journals, I still agree with the designation. Otherwise a collage becomes a painting even when there was no "painting" involved, just pasting (or "readymade" will come to mean "sculpted"). Found art is not created art.
Also, is Nada's poem have a similar phrase with Red Hot CHili Pepper's californication? I never could figure out what they said...
Great post though.
"It's weird how this issue of Poetry Magazine reminds me so aggressively that awfulness is relative."
As is boringness. And sincerity. The most sincere stuff in Poetry and other lyric journals, sounds much more ridiculous to me than flarf.
Stan, you are right/ here, but it doesn't matter what a word object created by a human is called. I use ditty, muttob, poemoid, verse, and poem for my poem-like objects.
An author I know who is still in his twenties/ calls his stuff shit,
and he just finished a first draft of a book containing nearly 70,000 words.
As always, readers rule.
poultry, call it poultry, and then it doesn't matter if someone calls you chickenshit
What are you doing in Tampa? Any plans to make it to Tallahassee??? It would be fun to see you again so let me know your plans.
I might have been THAT dog---you never know!
The sad irony of Poetry magazine is that the Poetry Foundation blog Harriet has better poetry on it for free than the abominable crap published the magazine that they actually expect people to pay real money for.
R. says he doesn't think cut-ups are poetry. How about "The Wasteland"? That's a cut-up. Is it poetry? All writing is a cut-up, really. (I think Burroughs said that in 3rd Mind, but I'm not sure.)Even poetry not produced by the cut-up method is a collage of pieces of old writing.
Greetings from Costa Rica, underage whore of flarf upbringing!
Re the paranoia about the section being "quarantined," here's what Goldsmith says in a comment on the PF website:
"I'm not sure that I would like to call these texts "poetry," which is why I refer to them as Conceptual Writing. However, the poetry world is the only one that welcomed this type of writing -- the art world and fiction world wouldn't have us -- so I feel very much in debt and a great deal of gratitude toward the poetry world. I owe its openness it a lot."
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